Catch me at Contact.io 2026

Contact.io calls itself the call marketing conference, and that's accurate. It's where the pay-per-call world, the call center operators, and the people who buy and sell conversations all end up in the same building for three days. It comes from the same crew behind Lead Generation World, which has been the industry's main room for years.

That's my world. I've spent thirty years in it, from six physical call centers in Grand Rapids to the lead exchange and software I run today. So when they put me on a stage inside the exhibit hall, they're putting me about forty feet from the exact people I've been doing business with my whole career.

I go on Monday afternoon at 2:45. I'll be talking about the lead generation business, and I keep it plain: real stories from thirty years of running lead companies, what worked, what cost me money, and what I'd tell you to do differently. No jargon, no death by slides.

I'd rather answer hard questions than read a deck, so bring whatever you've actually been wondering about. If you've read the six call centers story, that's a good preview of how I talk.

Not going to the session? Find me around the exhibit hall before or after. Talking shop with people is half the reason I'm coming.